Proposed Treaty with Nujel'm

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Proposed Treaty with Nujel'm

Post by Tanda Knighthawke » Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:03 pm

Proposed Compact (henceforth known as a Pact) between the Kingdom of Britannia and the Sultanate of Nujel’m
First draft authored by Governor Tanda Knighthawke of Minoc
& her husband, Sir John Knighthawke of Minoc and Late of Newcastle, acting as the Governor's aide

-Preamble & Introduction-
Together the Kingdom of Britannia (to be called Britannia), the Sultanate of Nujel’m (to be called Nujel'm), as well as the Empire of Tokuno (to be called Tokuno), the Kingdom of Ter Mur (to be called Ter Mur), and the City of Luna (to be called Luna) in the land of Malas share an existence which must maintain a delicate balance. A Treaty already exists between the Britannia and the Tokuno. An Agreement has been reached with Ter Mur. It seems fitting that we strive to broker an agreement with our nearest neighbor.

Often such agreements speak of a friendship between nations; Governments cannot form such relationships as these bonds exist between people not between laws and buildings. Thus, Governments forge alliances which are mutually beneficial, respectful and friendly in nature allowing their citizens to form friendships. Through such compacts and agreements nations can build stronger internal and external bonds which improve the future for both by increasing security, education, trade, cultural knowledge, and agricultural production.

For the purposes of this agreement Britannia is hereby recognized as the entirety of the Britannian Continent, the Isle of Deeds, Isle of New Magincia, Isle of Skara Brae (including Iver’s Rounding), the Valorian Isles, any major islands not by law or common practice excluded, Dagger Isle and Verity Isle. The cities of Delucia, Papua are hereby considered to be Britannian Protectorates. Any town outside these boundaries swearing fealty to Britannia and which is duly registered with the Office of the Royal Surveyor may also be considered a protectorate. All coastal waters detailed in the surveying mission also are part of Britannia.

Furthermore for the purpose of this agreement The Sultanate of Nujel’m is hereby recognized as the entire island of Nujel’m and the coastal waterways surrounding it as defined in the following description:

• Northwest corner: 65 North, 135 East
• to Northeast corner 65 North, 179 East
• to Southwest corner 0 North 135 East
• to Southeast corner 0 North, 179 East

allowing room for Verity Isle and Nujel’m to pass between the two land masses.

One of the greatest gifts we can give one another is the right to our own unique identity; it is perhaps the most sincere form of respect one can give, acceptance of our differences. By means of an absurd example, it is disrespectful to dress a dog in human clothes and expect it to think, behave and comprehend what humans see as evidence of prosperity and status, the dog is best honored by being allowed to be what it was born to be. It is with this in mind this Pact was penned, NOT to destroy our individuality but to blend it with some guidance so that the majority benefit and do not trample everything else along the way.

The greatest ideals taught by our now-King, in his younger days, were those of tolerance, respect for diversity, and of freedom. The greatest idea implemented by our now-King in his older self, as King of Britannia, is that of the responsibility that accompanies that freedom.

-Article 1 Mutual Defense-
The Sultanate of Nujel’m and Britannia from this day forward will abide by a reciprocal agreement in the spirit of human decency and dignity to come to the aid of our fellow nation supplying whatever measure of support that is required to terminate any and all common threats, including but not limited to military forces or supplies as deemed necessary to meet the challenge. At no time shall either nation send military forces into the other nation without prior written consent. Waiver of this clause can only happen in times of immediate danger where loss of life and liberty require an expedient course of action precluding the normal channels. Such a waiver shall only exist until the immediate threat has been neutralized and the host nation has regained control or has requested the visiting military to leave.

Included in Mutual Defense shall the sharing of intelligence regarding possible threats to either land, a reciprocal agreement which does NOT require the divulgence of information that may pose a risk to the national security of either nation.

-Article II National Resources and Citizens-
National resources (those lying in the natural environment), and the citizens residing there are governed by their respective governments. Diligence in the care for the health, well-being and safety of each citizen within the borders of each country shall require the introspection and reflection of leadership. At no time shall this agreement demand either nation to forfeit such resources or citizens. In times of plenty our nations shall offer freely whatever abundance/s are available in an open market with the proper accounting for such materials. Neither nation shall remove resources from the other without prior written consent.

Sharing of resources will open lines of trade between the cities of Britannia and the Sultanate of Nujel’m, not just between city governments and Nujel’m but between individual merchants within each. Shipping of said goods shall abide by the laws governing both lands. Shipping of contraband: blackrock, explosion potions, conflagration potions, slaves, vampires, caddellite, cannons, cannon ammunitions, weapons, and any other item that is illegal in either of the jurisdictions at issue shall be forbidden. Consequences of being apprehended with such goods shall be dealt with through an agreement of extradition. Citizens charged with a crime within the boundaries of the other country may request representation from their homeland. Such extradition agreements shall apply to other crimes and/or criminals as well.

-Article III Culture, Knowledge and Learning-
Cultural, intellectual and vocational knowledge are a resource which should not be packed into a shipping crate, measured on a scale, or quantified by our most knowledgeable scholars. Yet they are the most valuable asset any country has. These assets would be the beings living within the borders of Britannia and Nujel’m, not restricted to only those of human origin.

Collaboration between scholars, tradesman, and artisans should be allowed and encouraged wherein those joint projects do not endanger life or liberty.

-Article IV Travel and Trade-
Borders between Britannia and Nujel’m shall be open to lawful peoples wishing to pursue travel and trade. No unnecessary restrictions shall be in place upon citizens or business entities engaged in lawful pursuits. Even in the best of environments some citizens will insist upon living outside of the criminal or civil laws.

It is imperative in order to reach a mutual agreement that each side understand the acceptable and lawful behavior put forth by each nation. In regard to trade Britannia will consider the following contraband or illegal:

• Trafficking in living beings (excluding livestock or other pets and plant materials)
• Transport and/or sale of explosives, weapons, or materials used to provoke war, imprison or destroy life.
• Imposing servitude upon another due to the incursion of debt
• Travel to Britannia by those beings who are known vampires shall be forbidden, any such beings found within Britannia shall be subject to the Britannian Vampirism Act ratified in the year 378 by the High Council.

-Article V Ambassadors-
An Ambassador shall be an individual who will relay information and provide a resource to visitors from their home nation as to the regulations and laws of the land to be quartered within the borders of the host nation. Ambassadors can be selected by whichever means is lawful within their resident nation.

This Ambassador shall have a quarters and/or embassy (it can be combined) where he/she may carry out the duties of their appointed office. This Ambassador and his or her known and registered staff shall have diplomatic immunity. Diplomatic immunity is defined as immunity from prosecution for criminal acts or from civil lawsuits except when the punishment is expulsion from the jurisdiction.

Grant of political asylum: As to any people from one jurisdiction who might seek political asylum in the other, their claims shall be assessed according to known and posted procedures propagated by each government. At no point may criminals use any asylum process to escape just authority.

-Article VI Disputes & Hostilities-
This treaty will be the guideline for mediation of disputes. Prior to any open act of aggression or retaliation diplomatic channels will first be sought. If a peaceful solution cannot be reached then a reasonable effort will be made to reduce the risk of injury or death to civilian populations especially women, children, the elderly or infirmed. Any prisoners of war shall be returned to their respective nation as safety allows.

Use of torture, mind altering spells, incantations, talismans, potions or food products as means of interrogation or punishment shall be expressly prohibited against both combatants and noncombatants from the other jurisdiction, in military conflicts, criminal proceedings or investigations, and civil court proceedings or investigations.

-Conclusion-
A treaty or pact is a political document as well as a legal one. Treaties and pacts are to establish frameworks and open nations to each other, not to serve as anchors we can cling to in the midst of a storm at sea and, thus, drown.

May we implement this treaty in the open spirit within which it was written.
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Re: Proposed Treaty with Nujel'm

Post by Lord DaKaren » Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:20 pm

A few comments...
• Northwest corner: 65 North, 135 East
• to Northeast corner 65 North, 179 East
• to Southwest corner 0 North 135 East
• to Southeast corner 0 North, 179 East
Visually:
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The northwestern border proposed here is close to Vesper and far too close to the continent in general.

Alternatively, I would suggest these coordinates:

• Northwest corner: 65 North, 145 East
• to Northeast corner 65 North, 179 East
• to Southwest corner 0 North 145 East
• to Southeast corner 0 North, 179 East

Visually:
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Since the water within the border would reasonably be expected to be patrolled, I would not suggest that such a small island nation be responsible for more area than they could reasonably project force.
The greatest ideals taught by our now-King, in his younger days, were those of tolerance, respect for diversity, and of freedom. The greatest idea implemented by our now-King in his older self, as King of Britannia, is that of the responsibility that accompanies that freedom.
Granted that we have had more monarchs that seems reasonable in recent years, however, referring to Blackthorn as 'our now-King' diminishes his rule by implying it is temporary. I would strongly suggest that he simply be referred to as King.
Shipping of contraband: blackrock, explosion potions, conflagration potions, slaves, vampires, caddellite, cannons, cannon ammunitions, weapons, and any other item that is illegal in either of the jurisdictions at issue shall be forbidden
I would suggest dramatically shortening, or omitting this section entirely, especially since it is repeated in Article IV. Under current Britannian law, only the transport of slaves would be considered Illegal. The other items aren't illegal to possess, transport or import under Britannian law.

From Article IV:
• Trafficking in living beings (excluding livestock or other pets and plant materials)
• Transport and/or sale of explosives, weapons, or materials used to provoke war, imprison or destroy life.
• Imposing servitude upon another due to the incursion of debt
• Travel to Britannia by those beings who are known vampires shall be forbidden, any such beings found within Britannia shall be subject to the Britannian Vampirism Act ratified in the year 378 by the High Council.
I would suggest that the first bullet be reworded to condemn the trafficking of sentient beings. A legal line must be drawn between sentients as cargo rather than passengers.

The second bullet is far too subjective. Britannia currently has no laws against the sale or transport of arms, regardless what their intended use may be.

The third bullet, indentured servitude, is simply slavery by a slightly more socially acceptable euphemism. Sadly, it has recently come to light that Britannian nobility still perpetrates the trade of "contracts" for their servants. I would strongly suggest we rid our own nation of this practice before we are accused of hypocrisy.

The fourth bullet point should be stricken. Being a vampire is not illegal under Britannian law, nor are there regulations restricting their travels. The BVA is a stricture against the act of vampirism, not the existence of these individuals. Forbidding their immigration into, or out of, Britannia would be a violation of their rights.
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Re: Proposed Treaty with Nujel'm

Post by Tanda Knighthawke » Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:01 pm

Lord DaKaren wrote:A few comments...
• Northwest corner: 65 North, 135 East
• to Northeast corner 65 North, 179 East
• to Southwest corner 0 North 135 East
• to Southeast corner 0 North, 179 East
Visually:
Image

The northwestern border proposed here is close to Vesper and far too close to the continent in general.

Alternatively, I would suggest these coordinates:

• Northwest corner: 65 North, 145 East
• to Northeast corner 65 North, 179 East
• to Southwest corner 0 North 145 East
• to Southeast corner 0 North, 179 East

Visually:
Image

Since the water within the border would reasonably be expected to be patrolled, I would not suggest that such a small island nation be responsible for more area than they could reasonably project force.
The greatest ideals taught by our now-King, in his younger days, were those of tolerance, respect for diversity, and of freedom. The greatest idea implemented by our now-King in his older self, as King of Britannia, is that of the responsibility that accompanies that freedom.
Granted that we have had more monarchs that seems reasonable in recent years, however, referring to Blackthorn as 'our now-King' diminishes his rule by implying it is temporary. I would strongly suggest that he simply be referred to as King.

I can see how that could be construed as offensive or such, it makes sense to not step on his toes.
Shipping of contraband: blackrock, explosion potions, conflagration potions, slaves, vampires, caddellite, cannons, cannon ammunitions, weapons, and any other item that is illegal in either of the jurisdictions at issue shall be forbidden
I would suggest dramatically shortening, or omitting this section entirely, especially since it is repeated in Article IV. Under current Britannian law, only the transport of slaves would be considered Illegal. The other items aren't illegal to possess, transport or import under Britannian law.

That paragraph refers back to historic information from Sir Magnus Grey, and is an attempt to get some dialogue going regarding lines to be drawn.

From Article IV:
• Trafficking in living beings (excluding livestock or other pets and plant materials)
• Transport and/or sale of explosives, weapons, or materials used to provoke war, imprison or destroy life.
• Imposing servitude upon another due to the incursion of debt
• Travel to Britannia by those beings who are known vampires shall be forbidden, any such beings found within Britannia shall be subject to the Britannian Vampirism Act ratified in the year 378 by the High Council.
I would suggest that the first bullet be reworded to condemn the trafficking of sentient beings. A legal line must be drawn between sentients as cargo rather than passengers.

I do like the distinction that sentient beings implies. It is in reference to Nujel'm's past.

The second bullet is far too subjective. Britannia currently has no laws against the sale or transport of arms, regardless what their intended use may be.

The third bullet, indentured servitude, is simply slavery by a slightly more socially acceptable euphemism. Sadly, it has recently come to light that Britannian nobility still perpetrates the trade of "contracts" for their servants. I would strongly suggest we rid our own nation of this practice before we are accused of hypocrisy.


I noted that in the last meeting too. I didn't realize Britannia traded in "contracts" either.

The fourth bullet point should be stricken. Being a vampire is not illegal under Britannian law, nor are there regulations restricting their travels. The BVA is a stricture against the act of vampirism, not the existence of these individuals. Forbidding their immigration into, or out of, Britannia would be a violation of their rights.
Perhaps modified to inform that acts of Vampirism are illegal.
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Re: Proposed Treaty with Nujel'm

Post by Max von Bayer » Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:08 am

I've made some suggestion.
Tanda Knighthawke wrote:Proposed Compact (henceforth known as a Pact) between the Kingdom of Britannia and the Sultanate of Nujel’m
First draft authored by Governor Tanda Knighthawke of Minoc
& her husband, Sir John Knighthawke of Minoc and Late of Newcastle, acting as the Governor's aide

-Preamble & Introduction-
Together the Kingdom of Britannia (to be called Britannia), the Sultanate of Nujel’m (to be called Nujel'm), as well as the Empire of Tokuno (to be called Tokuno), the Kingdom of Ter Mur (to be called Ter Mur), and the City of Luna (to be called Luna) in the land of Malas share an existence which must maintain a delicate balance. A Treaty already exists between the Britannia and the Tokuno. An Agreement has been reached with Ter Mur. It seems fitting that we strive to broker an agreement with our nearest neighbor.
I may not be sure, but I read this as bringing Tokuno, Ter Mur, Luna, and Britannia together under this mutual treaty. As I said, I may be reading this wrong, but the way it reads, it doesn't seem to fit. I'd just leave the paragraph out. I've noted changes below.
Tanda Knighthawke wrote:Often such Agreements speak of a friendship between nations. Governments cannot form such relationships as these bonds exist between people, not between laws and buildings. Thus, Governments forge alliances which are mutually beneficial, respectful and friendly in nature allowing their citizens to hopefully form friendships. Through such compacts and agreements nations can build stronger internal and external bonds which improve the future for both by increasing security, education, trade, cultural knowledge, and agricultural production.

For the purposes of this agreement Britannia is hereby recognized as the entirety of the Britannian Continent, the Isle of Deeds, Isle of New Magincia, Isle of Skara Brae (including Iver’s Rounding), the Valorian Isles, any major islands not by law or common practice excluded, Dagger Isle and Verity Isle. The cities of Delucia, Papua are hereby considered to be Britannian Protectorates. Any town outside these boundaries swearing fealty to Britannia and which is duly registered with the Office of the Royal Surveyor may also be considered a protectorate. All coastal waters detailed in the surveying mission also are part of Britannia.

Furthermore for the purpose of this agreement The Sultanate of Nujel’m is hereby recognized as the entire island of Nujel’m and the coastal waterways surrounding it as defined in the following description:

• Northwest corner: 65 North, 135 East
• to Northeast corner 65 North, 179 East
• to Southwest corner 0 North 135 East
• to Southeast corner 0 North, 179 East

allowing room for Verity Isle and Nujel’m to pass between the two land masses.

Tanda Knighthawke wrote: One of the greatest gifts we can give one another is the right to our own unique identity; it is perhaps the most sincere form of respect one can give, acceptance of our differences. By means of an absurd example, it is disrespectful to dress a dog in human clothes and expect it to think, behave and comprehend what humans see as evidence of prosperity and status, the dog is best honored by being allowed to be what it was born to be. It is with this in mind this Pact was penned, NOT to destroy our individuality but to blend it with some guidance so that the majority benefit and do not trample everything else along the way.
The dog stuff makes no sense in such a formal treaty.
Tanda Knighthawke wrote: The greatest ideals taught by ournow-King, in his younger days, were those of tolerance, respect for diversity, and of freedom. The greatest idea implemented by our now-King in his older self, as King of Britannia, is that of the responsibility that accompanies that freedom.

-Article 1 Mutual Defense-
The Sultanate of Nujel’m and Britannia from this day forward will abide by a reciprocal agreement in the spirit of human decency and dignity to come to the aid of our fellow nation supplying whatever measure of support that is required to terminate any and all common threats, including but not limited to military forces or supplies as deemed necessary to meet the challenge. At no time shall either nation send military forces into the other nation without prior written consent. Waiver of this clause can only happen in times of immediate danger where loss of life and liberty require an expedient course of action precluding the normal channels. Such a waiver shall only exist until the immediate threat has been neutralized and the host nation has regained control or has requested the visiting military to leave.
This is just asking for abuse. I also, as Chief Justicar, have a great deal of concern on any treaty that might allow the Sultan to hunt down a Britannian citizen in Britannia. I would maybe even suggest such a opening would perhaps lead to invalidation by the High Court.
Tanda Knighthawke wrote: Included in Mutual Defense shall the sharing of intelligence regarding possible threats to either land, a reciprocal agreement which does NOT require the divulgence of information that may pose a risk to the national security of either nation.

-Article II National Resources and Citizens-
National resources (those lying in the natural environment), and the citizens residing there are governed by their respective governments. Diligence in the care for the health, well-being and safety of each citizen within the borders of each country shall require the introspection and reflection of leadership. At no time shall this agreement demand either nation to forfeit such resources or citizens. In times of plenty our nations shall offer freely whatever abundance/s are available in an open market with the proper accounting for such materials. Neither nation shall remove resources from the other without prior written consent.

Sharing of resources will open lines of trade between the cities of Britannia and the Sultanate of Nujel’m, not just between city governments and Nujel’m but between individual merchants within each. Shipping of said goods shall abide by the laws governing both lands. Shipping of contraband: blackrock,explosion potions, conflagration potions, slaves,vampires, caddellite,cannons, cannon ammunitions, weapons, and any other item that is illegal in either of the jurisdictions at issue shall be forbidden. Consequences of being apprehended with such goods shall be dealt with through an agreement of extradition. Citizens charged with a crime within the boundaries of the other country may request representation from their homeland. Such extradition agreements shall apply to other crimes and/or criminals as well.
A lot of these items aren't illegal, and thus certainly not illegal to ship. With regards to the seizure of the BMV Tiderunner because of the weapons found on board. It was the underhanded nature of attempting to move the weapons outside the eye of proper open trade that caught the attention of the authorities. Open trade is a key to trust to all stakeholders in the system. If they could merely have produced a valid bill of sale, and of course not attacked Servious, the whole situation would have likely ended with the Tiderunner sailing on her merry way

Tanda Knighthawke wrote: -Article III Culture, Knowledge and Learning-
Cultural, intellectual and vocational knowledge are a resource which should not be packed into a shipping crate, measured on a scale, or quantified by our most knowledgeable scholars. Yet they are the most valuable asset any country has. These assets would be the beings living within the borders of Britannia and Nujel’m, not restricted to only those of human origin.

Collaboration between scholars, tradesman, and artisans should be allowed and encouraged wherein those joint projects do not endanger life or liberty.

-Article IV Travel and Trade-
Borders between Britannia and Nujel’m shall be open to lawful peoples wishing to pursue travel and trade. No unnecessary restrictions shall be in place upon citizens or business entities engaged in lawful pursuits. Even in the best of environments some citizens will insist upon living outside of the criminal or civil laws.

It is imperative in order to reach a mutual agreement that each side understand the acceptable and lawful behavior put forth by each nation. In regard to trade Britannia will consider the following contraband or illegal:

• Trafficking in living beings (excluding livestock or other pets and plant materials)
Transport and/or sale of explosives, weapons, or materials used to provoke war, imprison or destroy life.
• Imposing servitude upon another due to the incursion of debt
Travel to Britannia by those beings who are known vampires shall be forbidden, any such beings found within Britannia shall be subject to the Britannian Vampirism Act ratified in the year 378 by the High Council.
The Sultan's propensity to find ways to get his citizens (or foreigners) in debt and turn them into his servants concerns me. I find it highly unlikely after operating in such a form for hundreds of years that the lands of Nujel'm will give up such a profiting form of governance.

Also, as the Chancellor noted, being a vampire isn't illegal. It is the act of vampirism that is illegal.
Tanda Knighthawke wrote: -Article V Ambassadors-

Section A:
An Ambassador shall be an individual who will relay information and provide a resource to visitors from their home nation as to the regulations and laws of the land to be quartered within the borders of the host nation. Ambassadors can be selected by whichever means is lawful within their resident nation.

This Ambassador shall have a quarters and/or embassy (it can be combined) where he/she may carry out the duties of their appointed office. This Ambassador and his or her known and registered staff shall have diplomatic immunity. Diplomatic immunity is defined as immunity from prosecution for criminal acts or from civil lawsuits except when the punishment is expulsion from the jurisdiction.

Section B:
Grant of political asylum: As to any people from one jurisdiction who might seek political asylum in the other, their claims shall be assessed according to known and posted procedures propagated by each government. At no point may criminals use any asylum process to escape just authority.
The asylum issue worries me. Are we to request the Sultan to give up all of his current servants that he has gained through the trickery of debt? If not, what happens if the Sultan comes to visit the King in Britain and one of the servants escape and seeks asylum? This sounds like a war waiting to be started!
Tanda Knighthawke wrote: -Article VI Disputes & Hostilities-
This treaty will be the guideline for mediation of disputes. Prior to any open act of aggression or retaliation diplomatic channels will first be sought. Abandonment of the listed moral clauses of note in the treaty can result in charges of crimes against humanity. Such charges, if proved true, will result in either life imprisonment or death

If a peaceful solution cannot be reached then a reasonable effort will be made to reduce the risk of injury or death to civilian populations especially women, children, the elderly or infirmed. Any prisoners of war shall be returned to their respective nation as safety allows.

Use of torture, mind altering spells, incantations, talismans, potions or food products as means of interrogation or punishment shall be expressly prohibited against both combatants and noncombatants from the other jurisdiction, in military conflicts, criminal proceedings or investigations, and civil court proceedings or investigations.


-Conclusion-
A treaty or pact is a political document as well as a legal one. Treaties and pacts are to establish frameworks and open nations to each other, not to serve as anchors we can cling to in the midst of a storm at sea and, thus, drown.

May we implement this treaty in the open spirit within which it was written.
Overall, well done. As I noted, there are only a few issues the High Court would have trouble with and they could be addressed I think pretty easily.
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Proposed Compact (henceforth known as a Pact) between the Kingdom of Britannia and the Sultanate of Nujel’m
First draft authored by Governor Tanda Knighthawke of Minoc
& her husband, Sir John Knighthawke of Minoc and Late of Newcastle, acting as the Governor's aide

-Preamble & Introduction-
Though not one entity, together the Kingdom of Britannia (to be called Britannia), the Sultanate of Nujel’m (to be called Nujel'm), as well as the Empire of Tokuno (to be called Tokuno), the Kingdom of Ter Mur (to be called Ter Mur), and the City of Luna (to be called Luna) in the land of Malas share an existence which must maintain a delicate balance. A Treaty already exists between the Britannia and the Tokuno. An Agreement has been reached with Ter Mur. It seems fitting that we strive to broker an agreement with our nearest neighbor.

Often such agreements speak of a friendship between nations; Governments cannot form such relationships as these bonds exist between people not between laws and buildings. Thus, Governments forge alliances which are mutually beneficial, respectful and friendly in nature allowing their citizens to form friendships. Through such compacts and agreements nations can build stronger internal and external bonds which improve the future for both by increasing security, education, trade, cultural knowledge, and agricultural production.

For the purposes of this agreement Britannia is hereby recognized as the entirety of the Britannian Continent, the Isle of Deeds, Isle of New Magincia, Isle of Skara Brae (including Iver’s Rounding), the Valorian Isles, any major islands not by law or common practice excluded, Dagger Isle and Verity Isle. The cities of Delucia, Papua are hereby considered to be Britannian Protectorates. Any town outside these boundaries swearing fealty to Britannia and which is duly registered with the Office of the Royal Surveyor may also be considered a protectorate. All coastal waters detailed in the surveying mission also are part of Britannia.

Furthermore for the purpose of this agreement The Sultanate of Nujel’m is hereby recognized as the entire island of Nujel’m and the coastal waterways surrounding it as defined in the following description:

• Northwest corner: 65 North, 135 East (145 East?)
• to Northeast corner 65 North, 179 East
• to Southwest corner 0 North 135 East (145 East?)
• to Southeast corner 0 North, 179 East


Allowing room for Verity Isle and Nujel’m to pass between the two land masses.

One of the greatest gifts we can give one another is the right to our own unique identity; it is perhaps the most sincere form of respect one can give, acceptance of our differences. By means of an absurd example, it is disrespectful to dress a dog in human clothes and expect it to think, behave and comprehend what humans see as evidence of prosperity and status, the dog is best honored by being allowed to be what it was born to be. What one race, culture or nation views as a sign of status or pride may not be seen in the same light by another. It is With this in mind this Pact was penned, NOT to destroy our individuality but to blend it with some guidance so that the majority benefit and do not trample everything else along the way.

The greatest ideals taught by our now-King, in his younger days, were those of tolerance, respect for diversity, and of freedom. The greatest idea implemented by our now-King in his older self, as King of Britannia, is that of the responsibility that accompanies that freedom.

-Article 1 Mutual Defense-
The Sultanate of Nujel’m and Britannia from this day forward will abide by a reciprocal agreement in the spirit of human decency and dignity to come to the aid of our fellow nation supplying whatever measure of support that is required to terminate any and all common threats, including but not limited to military forces or supplies as deemed necessary to meet the challenge. At no time shall either nation send military forces into the other nation without prior written consent. Waiver of this clause can only happen in times of immediate danger where loss of life and liberty require an expedient course of action precluding the normal channels. Such a waiver shall only exist until the immediate threat has been neutralized and the host nation has regained control or has requested the visiting military to leave.

(This is very similar to the language in the Tokuno Treaty, I believe)

Included in Mutual Defense shall the sharing of intelligence regarding possible threats to either land, a reciprocal agreement which does NOT require the divulgence of information that may pose a risk to the national security of either nation.

-Article II National Resources and Citizens-
National resources (those lying in the natural environment), and the citizens residing there are governed by their respective governments. Diligence in the care for the health, well-being and safety of each citizen within the borders of each country shall require the introspection and reflection of leadership. At no time shall this agreement demand either nation to forfeit such resources or citizens. In times of plenty our nations shall offer freely whatever abundance/s are available in an open market with the proper accounting for such materials. Neither nation shall remove resources from the other without prior written consent.

Sharing of resources will open lines of trade between the cities of Britannia and the Sultanate of Nujel’m, not just between city governments and Nujel’m but between individual merchants within each. Shipping of said goods shall abide by the laws governing both lands. Shipping of contraband: blackrock in excess of 100 stones in weight without permit, explosion potions,conflagration potions, slaves, vampires, caddellite, cannons, cannon ammunitions, weapons, and any other item that is illegal in either of the jurisdictions at issue shall be forbidden. Consequences of being apprehended with such goods shall be dealt with through an agreement of extradition. Citizens charged with a crime within the boundaries of the other country may request representation from their homeland. Such extradition agreements shall apply to other crimes and/or criminals as well.

-Article III Culture, Knowledge and Learning-
Cultural, intellectual and vocational knowledge are a resource which should not be packed into a shipping crate, measured on a scale, or quantified by our most knowledgeable scholars. Yet they are the most valuable asset any country has. These assets would be the beings living within the borders of Britannia and Nujel’m, not restricted to only those of human origin.

Collaboration between scholars, tradesman, and artisans should be allowed and encouraged wherein those joint projects do not endanger life or liberty.

-Article IV Travel and Trade-
Borders between Britannia and Nujel’m shall be open to lawful peoples wishing to pursue travel and trade. No unnecessary restrictions shall be in place upon citizens or business entities engaged in lawful pursuits. Even in the best of environments some citizens will insist upon living outside of the criminal or civil laws.

It is imperative in order to reach a mutual agreement that each side understand the acceptable and lawful behavior put forth by each nation. In regard to trade Britannia will consider the following contraband or illegal:

• Trafficking in sentient living beings (excluding livestock or other pets and plant materials)
• Transport and/or sale of explosives, weapons, or materials used to provoke war, imprison or destroy life.black rock and caddelite.
• Imposing servitude upon another due to the incursion of debt
• Travel to Britannia by those beings who are known vampires shall be forbidden, any such beings found within Britannia shall be subject to the Britannian Vampirism Act ratified in the year 378 by the High Council.
• The Britannian Vampirism Act ratified in 378 by the High Council outlaws ACTS of Vampirism.

-Article V Ambassadors-
An Ambassador shall be an individual who will relay information and provide a resource to visitors from their home nation as to the regulations and laws of the land to be quartered within the borders of the host nation. Ambassadors can be selected by whichever means is lawful within their resident nation.

This Ambassador shall have a quarters and/or embassy (it can be combined) where he/she may carry out the duties of their appointed office. This Ambassador and his or her known and registered staff shall have diplomatic immunity. Diplomatic immunity is defined as immunity from prosecution for criminal acts or from civil lawsuits except when the punishment is expulsion from the jurisdiction.

Grant of political asylum: As to any people from one jurisdiction who might seek political asylum in the other, their claims shall be assessed according to known and posted procedures propagated by each government. At no point may criminals use any asylum process to escape just authority.


(So because it might provoke war, we do nothing, and allow violations against basic decency and humane behavior?)
-Article VI Disputes & Hostilities-
This treaty will be the guideline for mediation of disputes. Prior to any open act of aggression or retaliation diplomatic channels will first be sought. If a peaceful solution cannot be reached then a reasonable effort will be made to reduce the risk of injury or death to civilian populations especially women, children, the elderly or infirmed. Any prisoners of war shall be returned to their respective nation as safety allows.

Use of torture, mind altering spells, incantations, talismans, potions or food products as means of interrogation or punishment shall be expressly prohibited against both combatants and noncombatants from the other jurisdiction, in military conflicts, criminal proceedings or investigations, and civil court proceedings or investigations.

-Conclusion-
A treaty or pact is a political document as well as a legal one. Treaties and pacts are to establish frameworks and open nations to each other, not to serve as anchors we can cling to in the midst of a storm at sea and, thus, drown.

May we implement this treaty in the open spirit within which it was written.
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Re: Proposed Treaty with Nujel'm

Post by Ra'Dian Fl'Gith » Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:18 pm

Just a few constructive thoughts I had in reading the treaty:

1) I'm not sure I would mention the other treaties presently in place; that sounds more like verbal reasoning for the treaty, not something you'd put in place in a permanent document. My reasoning on this is because if something were to happen to those existing treaties (ie: a war with Tokuno), the Nujel'm treaty would then seem oddly out of accord.

Also, I feel as though the "friendship" bit is a bit too specific in detail. Although it is true in technicality, the "friendship between nations" that treaties often refer to is implied that it is the peoples of those nations, not two intangible governments shaking hands.

2) The conclusion... not to put too fine a point on it... sounds sort of like it is concluding that the treaty is fairly useless, almost to say, "Well, we drafted it, we've ratified it, but, you know, don't anyone mention it..." *grins*

3) More of a question than commentary -- with the list of things illegal in Britannia, is there going to be a similar list of things illegal in Nujel'm?


And on one final note, the Lady Beauvina has asked me to represent her complaint about trafficking of sentient beings, and asking that livestock be specified as those beasts not of the bovine descent. I told her I'd try, but that I didn't think the prospects looked very good.
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Re: Proposed Treaty with Nujel'm

Post by Matthias O'Hare » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:07 am

*shakes fist*

There should be no peace between Nujel'm until they return the treasured pieces of Britannian history that they looted from Magincia!
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Re: Proposed Treaty with Nujel'm with HC edits and concerns

Post by Max von Bayer » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:23 am

Tanda Knighthawke wrote: Grant of political asylum: As to any people from one jurisdiction who might seek political asylum in the other, their claims shall be assessed according to known and posted procedures propagated by each government. At no point may criminals use any asylum process to escape just authority.


(So because it might provoke war, we do nothing, and allow violations against basic decency and humane behavior?)1
Here is my problem with asylum in the context of the treaty as is. We are giving each other the authority to waive a "national security" clause that allows them to pursue into another sovereign nation after a criminal. What if the sovereign nation the "criminal" is fleeing to doesn't consider them criminal and would grant asylum? Are we thus not in violation of the asylum part of the treaty?
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Re: Proposed Treaty with Nujel'm

Post by Melian » Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:00 pm

I did specify that there were two key points that raised a flag with the High Council we'll see how that works out in meeting.

I am not in charge of either meeting and can't speak for Nujel'm I am hoping.
We'll see what happens.
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Re: Proposed Treaty with Nujel'm

Post by Tanda Knighthawke » Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:20 pm

To whom it may concern:

Princess Zaida represented the Sultanate of Nujel'm

Very brief summary:
There were 3 main issues brought up that Nujel'm has issue with.
1. They did not approve of the claim by Britannia of all of the smaller and etc islands around His Majesty's seas. Stating that they had no immediate plans to expand but that the Sultan did not wish to limit Nujel'm's options.

2. They take exception to the language in the treaty regarding slavery and indentured servitude. It is traditional practice in Nujel'm to use such "mutually" agreed upon contracts to find remedy to debt in a means that "benefits" all parties.

3. They also are not pleased with the Asylum clause feeling it will allow debtors to flee and avoid paying legitimate debts.

It was quite apparent from the conversation that views in Britannia vary, among her people. Minoc has a fairly strict law forbidding both slavery and indentured servitude. The King in the Royal Council meeting prior summed up his stance on the issue stating that the practice of enslaving and indenturing, buying and selling contracts (servants) is not acceptable.

It was also revealed in these talks that punishment by inhumane means is common practice in Nujel'm such as cutting out the tongue of liars or those who misrepresent a contract as the subject was originally brought up.

Currently we are at an stand still. I shall refrain from any language that may illicit more ill will or feelings. In hopes some mutual agreement may still be reached.

Gov. Tanda Knighthawke
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